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Item4287: Usability: Add DESCRIPTION setting to group topics

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Small usability thingy: Add a
  • Set DESCRIPTION = XYZ group, with access to all FOO and BAR content
setting to group topics and show them in Main.TWikiGroups' %GROUPS%. This gives a good description what groups are used for, and reduces the risk of errors in access control settings.

Imported groups from LDAP do not have a description; the description field will simply be empty for LDAP groups.

For testing I replacing %GROUPS% with this SEARCH on a TWiki installation:

  "* Set GROUP ="
  format="| <b>[[$topic]]</b> %BR% <span style=\"font-size: 80%; color: gray\"> $pattern(.*?\* Set DESCRIPTION = ?([^\n\r]*).*) </span> | $pattern(.*?\* Set GROUP = ?([^\n\r]*).*) |"

This results in the following screenshot of groups with description:

-- TWiki:Main/PeterThoeny - 23 Jun 2007

This is a desireable feature, but is also a fairly extensive code change impacting the way groups are stored. Please raise a topic in Codev to discuss e.g. TWiki:Codev.AddDescriptionFieldToGroups.


It would probably be simpler code if its not group specific.

By adding something like %META::TOPICSUMMARY{}% for all and any topic which defaults to the first 50 char of the topic (or whatever $summary uses) we could coalesce all the format="" parameters in TML, and thus do some clever stuff.

-- TWiki:Main.SvenDowideit - 23 Jun 2007

The first x chars would not be a good solution for this case, it should be one sentence, similar to what we have with the plugin short-description.

-- TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny - 24 Jun 2007

For my usecase (no LDAP), I can use the SEARCH instead of the GROUPS tp get the desired result.

-- TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny - 24 Jun 2007

i fear you misunderstand - the first x would only be the default. in your Groups topics you can intentionally SET that value to your description.

point being, its a useful concept for more than just Groups.

-- TWiki:Main.SvenDowideit - 24 Jun 2007

Ah, yes, good point.

-- TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny - 24 Jun 2007

seems odd to be 'Waiting for feedback' on a topic, when its not been created - I'm guessing that while its an interesting idea, no-one's needing it right now?

-- SvenDowideit - 03 Sep 2007

Why not have a TWikiForm instead of all these GROUP and DESCRIPTION variables.

-- TWiki:Main.MichaelDaum - 03 Sep 2007

No interest, so I'm marking it No Action. Suggest you raise the idea of a "topic summary" field in Codev, since that seems a logical approach.


It is frustrating to have usability suggestions discarded because "nobody needs it" and "nobody is interest." How about moving TWiki slowly but surely out of the geek realm?

-- TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny - 16 Sep 2007

I agree that the best place to catch a sponsor for this issue would be in Codev.

-- TWiki:Main.SteffenPoulsen - 16 Sep 2007

I find it unfortunate that real usability enhancements get discarded. TWIKI.NET focuses on usability enhancements; it means that TWIKI.NET's distribution gets out of sync with the open source distribution, although I'd strongly prefer to keep it in sync.

-- TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny - 23 Nov 2007

I think at least 3 people have pointed to making a Codev topic to discuss more flexible approaches, as there are much better usability enhancements possible (as you and I discussed back in June above).

-- TWiki:Main.SvenDowideit - 23 Nov 2007

Summary Usability: Add DESCRIPTION setting to group topics
ReportedBy TWiki:Main.PeterThoeny
Codebase ~twiki4
SVN Range TWiki-4.1.2, Thu, 21 Jun 2007, build 14235
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Priority Enhancement
CurrentState No Action Required


TargetRelease n/a

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PNGpng image5.png r1 manage 13.1 K 2007-06-23 - 04:33 UnknownUser Screenshot of groups with description
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Topic revision: r14 - 2007-11-23 - SvenDowideit
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